In this article, we will expose some of the errors and heresies of Michael and Peter Dimond of “Most Holy Family Monastery” (MHFM). For our most recent article refuting Peter and Michael Dimond’s lies and dishonesties on receiving sacraments from heretics in the debate and on their website “Sacraments from Undeclared Heretics Debate” – The Important Quotes, CLICK HERE. For our other article refuting their (and other people’s) heretical position of knowingly approaching heretical or even apostate priests for the sacraments, CLICK HERE. This article will show you things that the Dimonds want to hide from you. Most of the information on this page will be unclear to most people unless you first read this article.
So, since the Dimonds are obstinate in their position of knowingly approaching heretical or apostate priests for mass and the sacraments, and since they have refused to change position, and because they publicly teach this heresy on their site and to the people who asks them about it (where to go to mass), we have now been forced to publicly expose their heretical position, for the help and enlightenment of those whom they may have deceived. In the past, they had rejected several debate offers from us, and had also refused to even address any of our arguments. However, while they have refused to answer any of our arguments directed at exposing them and their position, they have nevertheless had time to attack and slander us in e-mail exchanges between us and them, dealing on different subjects, as we will see below:
MHFM: “You are a wicked, lying heretic. YOU ARE LIAR AND A FRAUD... STOP WASTING OUR TIME YOU DISGRACEFUL HERETIC, HEADED FOR EVERLASTING DAMNATION IN THE BOWELS OF HELL... WE ARE SICK OF YOU.... YOU LYING HYPOCRITE PHONY... SERVANT OF SATAN...”
To just make an e-mail filled with curses without even trying to answer one single argument is disgraceful beyond words! Here follows another unpleasant e-mail from Peter Dimond. After I received this last e-mail from him, he blocked me:
Peter Dimond: “You'd be demolished in a debate... You know nothing about the Catholic faith... You are too stupid and uncreative to produce anything... That's why you have to steal everything from us and others, you non-Catholic, headed for Hell criminal... The only reason we wouldn't debate you is because you only want to do it to promote your criminal operation... You want to use us to promote your criminal outfit and websites... and we don't let plagiarizers use our forum to spread their stolen material...
You don't even put your name, but we know your address... Don't waste our time anymore, you schismatic, clueless, demonic, loser headed for Hell...
By the way, you wouldn't call me a sissy to my face, you punk...”
-Bro. Peter Dimond
(Peter finally agreed to a debate with us. Please read this article exposing his lies and dishonesties: THE AMAZING LIES, HERESIES AND CONTRADICTIONS OF PETER DIMOND CAUGHT ON TAPE EXPOSED
There's only one word for such infantile behavior: disgraceful. He would demolish me in a debate, yet refuse to debate with me? Of course, he never uses this tone in his own e-mail exchange, wonder why? Also notice how Peter Dimond numerous times judged us and called us for thieves. And for what reason did he call us thieves? He called us thieves because we were using and promoting their own material; their films and their articles, and all for the salvation of souls! and because we have “copied” it, which he calls “stealing”! These people are thus claiming ownership of God’s truth (in the things which they do teach rightly) which is truly an abominable thing to do since no one can claim particular ownership of God’s revealed truths. Also notice how he numerous times judged our intentions (which he possibly cannot have any knowledge of) to be purely evil and of bad motives only (as if spreading their material would be a crime according to the Dimonds). This is a clear mortal sin for the Dimonds to presume to know why we do something. When a person loves his own opinions or interpretations too much, there’s really not much one could say to him that would make him change his position. We have told them many times that our intention when using their material is to help souls in knowing the truth about Vatican II, and of course, to save souls. However, they have refused to accept this explanation from us and still claims and obstinately holds as opinion (as if it were the truth) that our only intention is theft, plagiarizing, propagating stolen material and promoting our criminal outfit and websites. O Lord God, help us to overcome such pride! We still want to spread their material (the material which contains no error and which have been corrected by us) for the salvation of souls. They may continue to judge us falsely and call us for thieves, as long as God will have patience with such utter and despicable pride and bad will, but the truth is, and God knows it, that our intentions are good.
The Dimonds also rightly criticize people who use fallible sources to try to prove their position. However, the Dimonds themselves have built their whole case and argument (of receiving the sacraments from heretics) - not on the infallible Magisterium of the Church - but largely on the fallible theories and speculations of saints or theologians. However, even these few saints and theologians that they try to quote to prove their erroneous position, doesn't even agree with their heretical position (except perhaps for John de Lugo). The Dimonds also knowingly twist their words out of context to support their sacrilegious position. See St. Thomas Aquinas, The 1917 Code of Canon Law, etc., etc…
Peter and Michael Dimond also knowingly misquote and pervert the Fourth Lateran Council by cutting out the relevant parts that when taken in context, actually refutes their heretical position. And then they have the stomach to claim the Council refers to heretics even though it never spoke about heretical individuals! They make this totally mortally sinful distortion in this despicable and desperate manner since their heretical position might seem to hold more weight to others if at least one Council seemed to agree with their heretical position. However, the truth is that no Pope or no Council ever agrees with them or supports them. These facts alone should prove to any honest person that Peter and Michael Dimond in fact are not Catholic - but sad heretics - who knowingly misquote, pervert and distort saints, theologians and even councils to try to prove their false, evil, and heretical position.
Peter and Michael Dimond also falsely argues that the Council of Constance’s decree Ad Evitanda Scandala gives credence to their sacrilegious position of receiving sacraments from undeclared heretics and schismatics. But the Dimonds are dishonest about this decree because the decree doesn’t even speak about heretics or even mentions the word heresy anywhere. As has been proven here, Ad Evitanda Scandala is not referring to any heretics at all but refers specifically to sinners and Catholics of various kinds. Hence that this decree is about Catholics and not about automatically excommunicated non-Catholics or heretics. But the Dimonds (who are of bad will) just refuse to understand such simple logic (even after correction) that many others (who are not of bad will) immediately understand. For example, St. Robert Bellarmine also commented on the Council of Constance’s decree Ad Evitanda Scandala, but he never included the heretics as the Dimonds do, and St. Robert Bellarmine even refuted those who claimed it referred to the heretics! (click the blue link and scroll down a bit if you want to see his quote and commentary on the council).
But what is worse still and even more treacherous and evil from the Dimond brothers’ side is that they teach their lies and distortions to other people – as if it actually were the true and Catholic position – when it clearly is not! Greater abomination or evil can hardly be imagined! For the Dimonds are leading countless of people back into the jaws of heretics and schismatics, and making them to profess communion WITH THE GATES OF HELL, with these heretical and schismatical evil priests that are enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church! “Most Holy Family Monastery” are thus fooling people back to the devil and his apostate church! They do this by telling their followers that they are not really in communion with these heretics and schismatics even though they pray in communion with them and receives the sacraments from them at their own mass!
That people actually fall for this is really sad to think about. But if a person doesn’t know about the Faith well enough, then that person is inclined to put his trust in other people that seem more trustworthy and more knowledgeable than himself. And Peter and Michael Dimond indeed seem to have authority and to be trustworthy in that they seem to teach almost everything right. However, the truth is that they sadly have heresies mixed with all these truths. That is what makes them so extremely deadly and dangerous since most of their followers would believe them in whatever they would say or teach (that would seem reasonable). That is why most of them without question (at the Dimond brother’s advice) enter the churches of heretics to receive the sacraments from them.
Pope Pius VIII, Traditi Humilitati (# 4), May 24, 1829: “Jerome used to say it this way: he who eats the Lamb outside this house [at meetinghouses of heretics] will perish as did those during the flood who were not with Noah in the ark.”
Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitium (#9): “There can be nothing more dangerous than those heretics who admit nearly the whole cycle of doctrine, and yet by one word, as with a drop of poison, infect the real and simple faith taught by our Lord and handed down by Apostolic tradition.”
Other errors, mortally sinful distortions, heresies and major heretical objections from Most Holy Family Monastery (and from others like them who also knowingly approach the churches of heretics and prays in communion with them and receives the sacraments from them), have been dealt with thoroughly, and are exposed in this (general) and this (specifically against the Dimonds) article; all for the hope of these peoples eternal conversion. However, they will also be exposed briefly in detail in this article, which will deal more specifically on the Dimonds, and their contradictions and their lies.
Michael and Peter Dimond are heretics for denying the dogma that Catholics are forbidden to knowingly pray in communion with notorious heretics:
III Council of Constantinople, 680-681: “If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion [excommunicated]. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.” (Sacrorum Conciliorum, XI:635)
Council of Carthage: “One must neither pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: let him be excommunicated.” (Patrologiae Cursus Completus 56:486)
The Dimonds knowingly attend Mass at “meetinghouses (churches) of the heretics” and thus knowingly pray in communion with notorious heretics. They attend Mass at an Eastern Rite church that is under the apostate antipope of the Vatican II Church. They admit that the priests and most of the people in the church where they attend Mass (and in other churches where they tell their followers they can attend Mass) are notorious heretics:
Peter and Michael Dimond, A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, Issue #5, Final Remarks, p. 65: “The sad reality of this situation—which Antipope John Paul II [now Benedict XVI] and his cohorts have created—means that those who accept him, follow him, or defend him, while disregarding the facts presented in this magazine and the other available evidence which exposes him as an Antipope (and even the Antichrist himself), will lose their souls and be tortured in Hell for all eternity.”
Peter Dimond, E-mail conversation: “The priest where we go to Mass knows what we believe, and the people who go there have had the information made available to them.”
By Peter’s own admission, then, these priests and laymen at the church where he attends Mass have no excuse for invincible ignorance because Peter presented them with the evidence of the heresies and the dogmas that condemn the heresies. Therefore, those who had not believed the truth are notorious heretics, as Peter admits elsewhere:
Peter Dimond, E-mail conversation: “Catholics may only attend Mass at Catholic churches. We have never taught or believed anything else. The churches that we say that Catholics can attend Mass at and receive the sacraments from (e.g., the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, Eastern Rite churches, independent priests, etc.) are Catholic churches, even though the priests and certainly a number of the people who go there are heretics.”
Therefore, by Peter’s own admission, he knowingly prays in communion with notorious heretics and tells others they can do the same. But he illogically and heretically refers to these churches as Catholic churches in spite of the fact that, as he admits, the priests and many of the people in these churches are notorious heretics. One wonders what Peter thinks it takes to make a Catholic church a non-Catholic church.
1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 823: "Mass may not be said in churches of heretics or schismatics, even though they were in the past properly consecrated or blessed."
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium animos, (06/01/1928): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”
Although Peter implies that these churches are Catholic churches, yet, in another hypocritical twist, Peter implies that these churches are not Catholic churches, but are indeed meetinghouses of the heretics because he teaches that no one can give these churches financial support without committing mortal sin:
Peter Dimond, The Heretical Society of Pius V, 2003 version: “This is why we have taken pains to strenuously point out to those who attend the Masses of the SSPV (or the C.M.R.I., Society of St. Pius X, Byzantine churches, and almost all independent ‘traditional’ priests, etc. who believe the same way) that they cannot give them any financial support under pain of mortal sin, for this would actually constitute a denial of the faith by donating to a heretical organization.”
Peter’s teaching, that financial support must not be given to these churches or to any of the churches under the apostate antipope of the Vatican II Church, can only be true if these churches are not Catholic churches, because it is a mortal sin for Catholics not to financially support their local Catholic churches. Indeed, the Catholic Church decrees that Catholics are forbidden to give financial support to heretical or non-Catholic churches:
A Practical Commentary, on Canon 1258, vol. I, p. 65: “It has been declared that a Catholic may not contribute money towards the building of an heretical church, or give his work gratis.”
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215: "Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend, or support heretics."
By teaching that one cannot financially support these churches, Peter implies that they are heretical, non-Catholic churches. Elsewhere Peter explicitly admits this:
Peter Dimond, Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation: “God allowed the Catholic Buildings, Seminaries and Schools to be taken away and confiscated by a counterfeit non-Catholic sect (the Vatican II/Novus Ordo sect), with apostate priests, perverts, a phony “Mass” (the New Mass) and an apostate antipope…”
By Peter’s own admission, and speaking out of one side of his mouth, he teaches that these churches where he and others attend Mass are indeed heretical, non-Catholic churches, and thus the meetinghouses of heretics. He also admits that the priests and most of the people in these churches are heretics. Yet, speaking out of the other side of his mouth, Peter says that he does not go into the meetinghouses of the heretics to pray in communion with them:
Peter Dimond, E-mail conversation: “Let it be known, however, that we don’t pray in common with heretics. I don’t join my prayer with any heretics, nor do I recommend anyone to do so, but only true Catholics. … I repeat that I don't pray or sing psalms with heretics. …Moreover, as I said before, I don't go into the meeting houses of heretics, nor do I recommend anyone to.”
Although the Dimonds like to argue that they’re not praying in communion with heretics or schismatics or assisting at their mass (by their presence of acknowledgment) in the heretical church they attend, they are nevertheless forced to admit this fact publicly at their site:
Questions and Answers: ―Question 39 – Can one serve the altar at the SSPX?
“Dear Brothers Dimond, Since it is okay to attend an SSPX [Mass] to get sacraments as long as the priest is not a notorious heretic, what about altar serving or assisting in the choir?”
MHFM: “One definitely should not serve the altar at the SSPX. This is because in serving the altar one is directly assisting the priest who is praying in union with Antipope John Paul II [now Benedict XVI] and the apostate Novus Ordo Bishop.”
1) In their above statement, the Dimonds rightly imply that it is a mortal sin against the faith to assist a heretic in false religious services or to knowingly pray in communion with heretics. They say, “One definitely should not serve the altar at the SSPX. …in serving the altar one is directly assisting the priest who is praying in union with Antipope John Paul II and the apostate Novus Ordo Bishop.” How then, do the Dimonds escape the same guilt? They also knowingly attend Mass at a non-Catholic church and assist the heretical priest and laymen at that church with their presence of approval and by praying in communion with the heretical priest and laymen who in turn prays in communion with the Vatican II antipope and its local bishop. The Dimonds attempt to evade guilt by teaching that during the Mass the laymen do not assist or pray in communion with the priest who prays in communion with the Antipope—only the altar boys do.
When and where does the Church teach that the altar boys and not the laymen assist or pray in communion with the priest and the pope and the local bishop? One wonders if the Dimonds think the altar rail blocks the prayers of the laymen from reaching the priest so that the laymen are not assisting the priest by their praying in communion with him who in turn prays in communion with the Antipope! What, then, becomes of the prayers of the priest offered for the laymen present at his Mass (a mass which the Dimonds even knowingly attend). Does the altar rail block the priest’s prayers also? Again the Dimonds have made up their own faith to accommodate their heresies and other errors.
Council of Laodicea, Canon 9 (A.D. 363-364): “The members of the Church are not allowed to meet... any of the heretics, for prayer or service; but such as so do, if they be communicants, shall be excommunicated for a time; but if they repent and confess that they have sinned they shall be received.”
One falls deeper and deeper and becomes more illogical when, because of pride, he does not admit he is wrong. We challenge the Dimonds to produce a Church teaching which says that during Mass either the laymen do not assist or pray in communion with the priest or only the altar boys assist or pray in communion with the priest. If the Dimonds were to admit that the laymen do pray in communion with the priest during Mass, then the Dimonds would also have to admit that they themselves pray in communion with heretics because, by their own admission, they attend Mass at a non-Catholic Vatican II church (a meetinghouse of heretics) in which the priest is a heretic who prays in communion with the apostate antipope and local bishop. The Dimonds attend Mass at an Eastern Rite church that is in communion with Vatican II and Benedict XVI: St. Josaphat’s, in Rochester, New York.
Council of Laodicea, Canon 33 (A.D. 364): “No one shall join in prayers with heretics or schismatics.”
Apostolic Constitutions, Canon 45: “Let a bishop, presbyter, or deacon [or layman], who has only prayed with heretics, be excommunicated: but if he has permitted them to perform any clerical office, let him be deposed.”
Apostolic Constitutions, Canon 65: “If any one, either of the clergy or laity, enters into a synagogue of the Jews or heretics to pray, let him be deprived and suspended.”
Only if a person unknowingly entered a church building of the heretics or schismatics would his prayer not be in communion with them. The same must be said in a fully Catholic Church where some attendants might be occult heretics; his prayers would neither be in communion with them. Another example would be if a person were forced against his will to enter a church of heretics or schismatics. If he prayed to God in that church, his prayer would not be in communion with these heretics or schismatics since it was against his will to even enter their heretical building to begin with. Another example would be if a person entered a heretical church – but not to hear mass or receive the sacraments from them – but for the reason of converting them to the true Catholic faith. His prayers would neither be in communion with these heretics. But this same cannot be said when a person culpably and willingly enters the churches of the heretics or schismatics for the sole motive of receiving the sacraments from them, i.e., to participate in communion with them.
2) The Dimonds also heretically believe that some SSPX priests (who are heretical priests) in these latter days of the Great Apostasy may not be considered notorious heretical priests that must be avoided for communion. Most if not all of the SSPX priests are heretics on several counts. I will only list two counts:
a) The SSPX priests are notorious heretics because their sect denies the Salvation Dogma; hence all SSPX priests must be presumed to deny the dogma. Indeed, every SSPX priest I have spoken with denies the Salvation Dogma. If they did not deny this dogma, they would be kicked out of the SSPX. If they did not deny the dogma but kept their belief secret so as to remain in the SSPX, then this would also make them guilty of heresy because Catholics must not only believe a dogma in their heart but also profess it when the situation demands it. That is why the early Christians who denied the faith when tortured fell outside the Catholic Church. Although they believed in Christ in their hearts, they outwardly denied Him under torture and thus became guilty of apostasy with the added mortal sins of hypocrisy and scandal. These apostates were known as lapsed Christians (lapsi) and had to abjure to re-enter the Catholic Church. It is true that there might be a priest that is a material heretic somewhere in these churches, but it is also true that even protestant churches might have people that are material heretics (as long as they do not reject the essential mysteries or the natural law (which one cannot be ignorant about)), but these scenarios are very unlikely. However, we must judge on what we see, not on anything else.
St Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, lib. IV, c. 9, no. 15.: “For men are not bound, or able to read hearts; BUT WHEN THEY SEE THAT SOMEONE IS A HERETIC BY HIS EXTERNAL WORKS, THEY JUDGE HIM TO BE A HERETIC PURE AND SIMPLE, AND CONDEMN HIM AS A HERETIC.”
Please consult the following sections to learn what things one can and cannot be ignorant about when it comes to the Catholic faith, its teachings and dogmas – and concerning whether such a person is to be considered a Catholic, an unbeliever or a heretic:
b) The SSPX sect does not condemn the manifest heresies and other crimes of the Vatican II Church and does not properly denounce its notorious heretical antipope, bishops, and priests. The SSPX has no excuse for not fulfilling these Catholic obligations because the crimes of the Vatican II Church and its members are manifest to all in these latter days of the Great Apostasy. Therefore by sins of omission and association, all the members of the SSPX who agrees with their heresies and all those who know about SSPX heresies and willingly attend Mass at an SSPX church share in the guilt of the crimes of the SSPX sect and thus in the guilt of the crimes of the Vatican II Church and its antipopes and bishops.
Also, anyone who contemplates attending Mass at an SSPX church obviously has access to the SSPX priest. Therefore before attending his Mass, all one has to do is ask the priest what he believes regarding the above two points. His answer will confirm that he is a notorious heretic. Thus the following statement, which the Dimonds condone, in Question 39 is illogical and heretical: “Since it is okay to attend an SSPX [Mass] to get sacraments as long as the priest is not a notorious heretic…” It is illogical because the person who asked the question has easy access to the priest and thus can easily find out what the priest believes. All he has to do is open the mouth God has given him and ask the priest what he believes, point by point. From the priest’s answer, he will receive confirmation that the priest is a notorious heretic that then must be avoided. The statement is also heretical because by not asking the priest what he believes, this person sins by omission by omitting to perform the spiritual acts of mercy of instructing the ignorant and admonishing sinners and by omitting the Catholic obligation to profess the faith (which is an implicit denial of the Catholic faith):
1917 Code of Canon Law: ―1325§1 –Obligation to Profess the Faith– “The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circumstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor.”
Pope St. Felix III (483-492): “Not to oppose error, is to approve it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
Catechism Question: “In how many ways may we either cause or share in the guilt of another’s sin?” Answer: “We may either cause or share the guilt of another’s sin in nine ways: …6. By concealment; 7. By being a partner in the sin; 8. By silence.”
The Dimonds, indeed, are digging a deeper pit for themselves and for all those who follow them. They are the blind leading the blind into the pit (Mt. 15:14). By God’s grace and aid, it is our hope and prayer to wake up the people from spiritual death who are in religious communion with the Dimonds or who agree with any of their other heretical and mortally sinful errors. Of course, by God’s grace and aid, it is also our hope and prayer to wake up the Dimonds from spiritual death. They will have no hope of being saved until they wake up and abjure their errors and enter the Catholic Church.
Peter Dimond, The Heresies of the Society of St. Pius X, 2006 version: “ Thus, no one can give any financial support to the Society of St. Pius X under pain of mortal sin. Those who continue to do so obstinately – while being aware of this information – will not save their souls. [But...] One could attend the SSPX’s Masses and receive sacraments from them, provided one does not agree with them or support them at all, and if the SSPX priest does not notoriously preach or impose the SSPX’s heresies at the chapel.”
Peter Dimond correctly points out that a person will lose his soul for knowingly giving financial support to a heretic, but then he illogically and falsely concludes that this does not apply when receiving the sacraments from them or praying in communion with them or even when entering their churches. In this we see how the Dimonds have placed carnal things (worthless money) over spiritual things (the state of the soul), because in their opinion a person could receive the sacraments from heretics, pray in communion with heretics and even enter their churches without losing his soul. But if one were to give heretics a donation, then one would definitely lose his soul. This is utter hypocrisy, bad will and willful blindness from the Dimond brothers’ side! It is a certain fact that you will lose your soul for doing both of these things culpably or knowingly in direct opposition to the Church laws, however much the Dimonds wish to avoid this truth. Only good faith and ignorance would excuse a person from sin regarding this, namely, if he were unaware of the fact that he was entering or attending houses of heretics, or if he were unaware of the fact that he were donating money to a heretical organization, or if he were ignorant of what the Church teaches in regards to donating to or aiding heretics, however worthy their cause may be. (We are not saying that food, water, medicines, etc. shouldn’t be provided for such people who are in need of them, but one should not give unconditional aid or donations to people who will, almost certainly, continue their pagan and/or heretical lifestyles in rejection of the true God. One of course should hope and pray for their conversion.) Good faith would also excuse a believer who was donating to a heretical person for the sake of his or hers conversion to the true Catholic Faith, or if he donated out of charity (if for example, the heretic didn’t have the means to financially support himself), since donating money in itself is a charitable act and can be a means of drawing heretics back into the Church. The donation could not in anyway support the heretical person's propagation of heresy of course, but this should go without saying. But to culpably donate to support the cause of a heretical ministry, or to donate to a heretical person because you agreed with his heresy or schism, would be the equivalent of helping in the act of spreading heresy.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215: “Moreover, we determine to subject to excommunication believers who receive, defend, or support heretics.”
However, the above quote by Peter Dimond on the SSPX absolutely proves that the Dimonds do not believe that these churches they themselves attend or tell others to attend are Catholic churches and that these priests are Catholic priests. If the Dimonds believed that these churches are Catholic churches and that these priests are Catholic priests they would be committing a mortal sin for telling Catholics that they must not support the “Catholic” church where they attend Mass and the “Catholic” priest who offers them his ministrations. Hence, from this teaching alone it is absolutely clear: the Dimonds are admitting that Catholics are allowed to knowingly attend Mass at non-Catholic churches (at meeting houses of heretics or schismatics) and hence knowingly pray in communion with non-Catholic priests and laymen (obstinate heretics), a practice which the Catholic Church has always and infallibly condemned:
III Council of Constantinople, 680-681: “If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion [excommunicated]. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.” (Sacrorum Conciliorum, XI:635)
Pope Pius IX, Sept. 16, 1864, letter to the English Episcopate (CH 254): “That Christians and ecclesiastics should pray for Christian unity under the direction of heretics and, what is worse, according to an intention which is radically impregnated and vitiated with heresy, is absolutely impossible to tolerate!”
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium animos, (06/01/1928): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.”
However, to emphasize their correct teaching that Catholics are not allowed to give financial support to non-Catholic churches and non-Catholic priests, the Dimonds compare the SSPX sect to the Greek schismatic sect:
Peter Dimond, Questions, Answers and Comments, Question 2: “The bottom-line is that one cannot donate money to any organization that propagates heresies and leads souls to hell, as the SSPX does. It is true that they do some good things which can benefit people, but so do the Greek Orthodox. If one can donate to the SSPX, then one can donate to the Greek Orthodox or any schismatic group or the Indult priests which have valid sacraments…”
Peter Dimond correctly points out that these heretics lead souls to Hell by spiritual murder. Yet, as he admits to this horrifying fact, he simultaneously and out of the other side of his mouth tells his readers that they are perfectly free to go to them and to attend the masses of these heretics that murder souls! Thus, by Peters own admission, then, he is admitting that the people whom they deceive into attending the churches of heretics are being put in danger of eternal damnation – since these heretical priests and laymen are known to deceive people and murder souls! How many of the people that have actually gone to these heretical churches (at the Dimond brothers advice) have later embraced their heresies? Only God know. Yet, “Most Holy Family Monastery” does not seem to be concerned about that. Their only concern seems to be to get these people a “traditional” mass presided over by a heretical priest so that they can receive sacrilegious, illicit and invalid sacraments from him and become a sharer in his sin!
All the people whom the Dimonds deceive into entering the churches of heretics and schismatics are also fully aware of the fact that the priest and most laymen attending that same church are heretics and that they in fact murder other peoples souls by their obstinate, bad willed heresies. The people who go there are thus fully aware of that most if not all people in that church are headed for hell, but yet they go there but not to inform them or to convert them, but to partake in the sacraments with them! The priest and the people in that house of heretics where they attend mass are enemies of Jesus Christ and of His Church and are sadly headed for Hell, since they spit upon and reject the Church’s dogmas; and they are murdering their own and other people’s souls. They are murdering themselves and the souls which Jesus Christ redeemed and died for, yet, they continue to go there, avoiding their obligation to denounce heresy and save souls, instead perversely showing to all present that they are in communion with the same heretics. If they really did try to convert the heretics, they would not be allowed to go there and would be thrown out.
“The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circumstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to the neighbor.” (1917 Code of Canon Law: ―1325§1 –Obligation to Profess the Faith)
These people are truly despicable and abominable to say the least! We can understand that people have been deceived since all people are inclined to be deceived, but yet if one thinks about it carefully, there’s really no excuse for such behavior.
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Suppl. Part, Q. 23, Art. 3, Reply to Objection 2: “The commandment of the Church regards spiritual matters directly, and legitimate actions as a consequence: hence by holding communion in Divine worship [with one who is excommunicated – formally or automatically,] one acts against the commandment, and commits a mortal sin;”
However, Peter did not say that “If one is forbidden to attend Mass at Greek schismatic churches and pray in communion with and receive the sacraments from Greek schismatic priests, then one is likewise forbidden to attend Mass at SSPX schismatic churches and pray in communion with and receive the sacraments from SSPX schismatic priests.” Peter conveniently left out the Catholic Church’s dogmatic teachings that Catholics are also forbidden to knowingly give spiritual support to Greek schismatic churches by attending their Masses and praying in communion with Greek schismatics:
Council of Laodicea, 4th Century: “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.”
The 1917 Code of Canon Law states: that: "It is not permitted at all for the faithful to assist in any active manner at or to have any part in the worship of non-Catholics." [Canon 1258]
The Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, Rev. Ignatius J. Szal, A.B., J.C.L., 1948: ―Article I—Active Participation (Canon 1258, §1): “If the worship is Catholic in form but is undertaken under the auspices of a non-Catholic body (as in the celebration of Mass by a schismatic priest), it expresses either faith in a false religious body or rebellion against the true Church. [Hence] active religious participation with schismatics is always intrinsically illicit. The reasons for this absolute prohibition of canon 1258, §1, have their origin in the natural and positive divine law. These reasons are: 1) The Church is the only de jure [by law] existing true religious society in which it is licit to render to God the worship that is due Him; 2) the giving of scandal through one’s quasi-approval of a false sect must be avoided; and 3) the danger of perversion from the true faith must remain effectively neutralized.” (pp. 42-48)
But what does Peter do to get around the dogma that Catholics are forbidden to attend the Masses of and pray in communion with and receive the sacraments from notorious heretics or schismatics, while not seeming to deny it? He denies the Church’s definition of a notorious-in-fact heretic. Peter believes that a priest who is an undeclared heretic cannot also be a notorious heretic unless the priest publicly teaches his heresy to his parishioners and also imposes his heretical beliefs upon them as a condition for attending his Masses and receiving the sacraments from him. The underlining is Peter’s:
Peter Dimond, The Heretical Society of Pius V, 2003 version: “When priests make public announcements that are heretical, which impose the heretical belief upon the people attending the Mass, then a Catholic must not attend the Mass or receive Holy Communion from such a priest. …This is not the case with a heretical independent, C.M.R.I. or SSPX priest who has not made an announcement such as this; in fact, most of the C.M.R.I, independent, SSPX and Byzantine priests (who hold to the same heresy as the SSPV) are silent about their heresies (and therefore they are not notorious heretics), and they don’t impose them upon anyone, so that receiving Communion from them (as long as one does not support or agree with them) is not a denial or a compromise of the Faith. But the SSPV has placed itself in another category - the category of notorious heretics who impose their heresy upon the people attending their Masses - which puts their Masses and their sacraments off limits.”
You will find no good or bad theologian who teaches that an undeclared heretic must also impose his heresy on others to become a notorious heretic. Furthermore, notoriety is not determined by the fact how many people actually are aware of a priest being a heretic or schismatic or by the fact if he is preaching his heresies from the pulpit or not – but is rather determined from what you can know or understand about the heretical person in question. This is the exact teaching of the very 1917 Code itself, which Peter Dimond purports to quote to give credence to his heresy:
1917 Code of Canon Law: ―Canon 2197, §3. “An offense is notorious by notoriety of fact, if it is publicly known and committed under such circumstances that it cannot be concealed by any subterfuge, nor excused by any excuse admitted in law (i.e., both the fact of the offense and the imputability or criminal liability must be publicly known).”
According to the above Canon: a priest’s heresy or crime becomes notorious and public the moment it has been made known to others.
But how can one be excused? Let’s ask St. Thomas Aquinas:
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Suppl. Part, Q. 60, Art. 1, Reply to Objection 3: “Now if the husband strike a cleric whom he found with his wife he is not excommunicated [but is excused from excommunication because of the circumstances]. … This does not prove that it is lawful simply, but that it is lawful as regards immunity from a particular kind of punishment, since excommunication is also a kind of punishment.”
So the 1917 Code of Canon Law is referring to a LEGITIMATE legal defense, not some false argument like “I can’t judge the pope”, or “Vatican I requires perpetual successors” that Peter usually mentions as excuses. Both of these are false arguments and do not constitute concealments or excuses in law, but heretics like Peter throws them out anyway, as though the Church was granting license to commune with criminals who pervert the laws and doctrine of the Church.
Notorious or public heresy has thus nothing to do with how many other people actually are aware of the priest being a heretic or if the priest imposes his heresies on others during mass. Thus, the Canon law of the Church clearly teaches that a heresy of a heretic becomes public and notorious the moment it has been made known to others. This fact is of course also backed up by both the Saints and the Popes of the Catholic Church:
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II, 30: “… for men are not bound, or able to read hearts; BUT WHEN THEY SEE THAT SOMEONE IS A HERETIC BY HIS EXTERNAL WORKS, THEY JUDGE HIM TO BE A HERETIC PURE AND SIMPLE, AND CONDEMN HIM AS A HERETIC.”
Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: “The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, WHO WERE WONT TO HOLD AS OUTSIDE CATHOLIC COMMUNION, AND ALIEN TO THE CHURCH, WHOEVER WOULD RECEDE IN THE LEAST DEGREE FROM ANY POINT OF DOCTRINE PROPOSED BY HER AUTHORITATIVE MAGISTERIUM.”
Hence the Catholic Church condemns the Dimonds and anyone who teaches that an undeclared heretic becomes a notorious heretic only if he imposes his heresy on others during mass. By pretending that priests who are undeclared notorious heretics are not notorious heretics or schismatics but only undeclared heretics whose heresy or schism is less than notorious, the Dimonds deceive their readers who are inclined to put the Mass before the Faith into receiving the sacraments from them—directly contrary to the decrees of the Church. In this way the Dimonds, speaking for the Devil, have deceived their readers into knowingly attending the Masses of and praying in communion with and receiving the sacraments from the worst kinds of notorious heretics that may ever have lived! Thus, the Dimonds assist the Devil in holding fast and murdering these souls (who are fully aware of what they are doing) inflicting mortal sin upon mortal sin on them: “Woe to you, apostate children, saith the Lord, that you would take counsel, and not of me: and would begin a web, and not by my spirit, that you might add sin upon sin:” (Isa. 30:1)
Here follows some interesting quotes from the fathers, popes, saints, councils, catechisms, the bible etc. that all condemns the idea of being in religious communion with heretics or schismatics or enter their churches.
St. John Damascene: “With all our strength, therefore, let us never receive communion from or grant it to heretics; ‘Give not that which is holy unto dogs, saith the Lord, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,’ (Matt. 7:6); lest we become partakers in their dishonor and condemnation.” (Patrologia Graeca, vol. 94, col. 1149, 1152, 1153; Also De Fide Orthodoxa (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith), Book IV, Chapter XIII).
Pope St. Gregory the Great, Dialogues (c. 593 A.D.): “Rather ought every one to submit to death, than to receive the sacrament of communion from the hand of a heretic.” (Quoted by Gratian, Decretum, 42. xxiv. q. 1)
Pope St. Leo the Great, Sermon 129: “Wherefore, since outside the Catholic Church there is nothing perfect, nothing undefiled, the Apostle declaring that "all that is not of faith is sin" (Romans 14:23), we are in no way likened with those who are divided from the unity of the Body of Christ; we are joined in no communion.”
Origen: “If you eat the words of God in the Church, and also eat them in the synagogue of the Jews, you transgress the commandment which says: “In one House shall it be eaten.” (Exodus 12:46).”
St. Cyril of Alexandria, On Leviticus 17:3: “It is therefore unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite oneself to their communion.”
St. Athanasius the Great: “We are bound to refrain from communing with those whose opinions we abhor.” (Patrologia Græca, Vol. XXVI, col. 1188B (“To Those Who Practice the Solitary Life and Who Are Established in Faith in God”)
St. Theodore the Studite (759-826 A.D.): “If anyone should not number with the other heresies the heresy which... say that communion with heretics is a matter of indifference, he is a heretic.” (Patrologia Graeca, Vol. XCIX, col. 352B ("First Refutation of the Iconclasts," s. 20)
St. Martin of Tours: “I grieve for having been, if only for an hour, in communion with guilty men.” (The Life of Martin, by Sulpitius Severus)
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Suppl. Part, Q. 23, Art 2: “An excommunicated person [such as a heretic] is banished from communion. Therefore whoever communicates with him leaves the communion of the Church [commits schism]: and hence he seems to be excommunicated.”
The Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, Chapter 9, On The Eucharist (c. 60-100 A.D.): “Now concerning the Eucharist... But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord [and shares the same faith]; for concerning this also the Lord has said, "Give not that which is holy to the dogs" (Matthew 7:6).” (The Didache, The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles, Early Christian Treatise)
Council of Laodicea, Canon 9: “Those who are members of the Church are not to be permitted to go into the cemeteries of any of the heretics for the purpose of prayer or veneration. If they do, they are to be excommunicated.” Another version says: “The members of the Church are not allowed to meet in the cemeteries, nor attend the so-called martyries of any of the heretics, for prayer or service; but such as so do, if they be communicants, shall be excommunicated for a time; but if they repent and confess that they have sinned they shall be received.”
Council of Laodicea, Canon 33: “No one shall join in prayers with heretics or schismatics.”
Apostolic Constitutions, Canon 65: “If any one, either of the clergy or laity, enters into a synagogue of the Jews or heretics to pray, let him be deprived and suspended.”
“How does a Catholic sin against faith? A Catholic sins against Faith by Apostasy, heresy, indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship.” (Catechism of the Council of Trent, Catechism [attributed to] Pope St. Pius X and The Baltimore Catechism)
“It is unlawful for the faithful to assist in any active manner, or to take part in the sacred services of non-Catholics.” (1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1258.1)
“You help the ungodly, and you are joined in friendship with those who hate the Lord; and therefore you did indeed deserve the wrath of the Lord.” (II Paralipomenon 19:2)
“I will not communicate with the choicest of them... Depart from me, ye malignant ones!” (Psalm 140:4; 118:115)
“A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.” (Titus 3:10-11)
“Are heretics and schismatics excommunicated? Yes; they have no part in the Communion of the Saints.” (St. Thomas Aquinas, Catechism of the Summa)
“St. Anthony the Abbot would not speak to a heretic, except to exhort him to the true faith; and he drove all heretics from his mountain, calling them venomous serpents.” (St. Athanasius on the life of St. Anthony the Hermit)
“Saint Peter and Paul have loathed heretics, and in their Epistles have warned us to avoid them.” (St. Cyprian)
“I will not pray with you, nor shall you pray with me; neither will I say “Amen” to your prayers, nor shall you to mine!” (Blessed Margaret Clitherow)
From the Life of St. John the Almsgiver - Admonition against taking communion from heretics: “Another thing the blessed man taught and insisted upon with all was never on any occasion whatsoever to associate with heretics and, above all, never to take the Holy Communion with them, ‘even if’, the blessed man said:
“You remain without communicating all your life, if through stress of circumstances you cannot find a community of the Catholic Church. For if, having legally married a wife in this world of the flesh, we are forbidden by God and by the laws to desert her and be united to another woman, even though we have to spend a long time separated from her in a distant country, and shall incur punishment if we violate our vows, how then shall we, who have been joined to God through the orthodox faith and the Catholic Church–as the apostle says: 'I espoused you to one husband that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ' (2 Cor. 11:2) -- how shall we escape from sharing in that punishment which in the world to come awaits heretics, if we defile the orthodox and holy faith by adulterous communion with heretics?” For ‘communion’, he said, “has been so called because he who has 'communion' has things in common and agrees with those with whom he has 'communion'. Therefore I implore you earnestly, children, never to go near the oratories of the heretics in order to communicate there.” (Three Byzantine Saints, “The Life of Saint John the Almsgiver”, Translators: Elizabeth Dawes & Norman H. Baynes, St. Vladimir’s Seminary Press, Crestwood: 1977; p. 251)
Many other saints could be quoted as well, including the famous letters of Saint Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, "to his flock;" and "to the Solitaries," Second letter to Monks.
For Saint Athanasius letters condemning communion with heretics, see THIS SECTION.
For many other quotes from Popes and Councils, CLICK HERE.
The Dimonds are also heretics because they implicitly deny the Catholic faith by evading their obligation to properly profess the Catholic faith to those with whom they pray in communion. They are also heretics for making themselves partner in their sin:
Pope St. Felix III (5th Century): “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, to neglect to confound evil men - when we can do it - is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
James 4:17 “To him therefore who knoweth to do good, and doth it not, to him it is sin.”
1917 Code of Canon Law: “1325.1 Obligation to Profess the Faith - The faithful are bound to profess their faith openly whenever under the circumstances silence, evasion, or their manner of acting would otherwise implicitly amount to a denial of the faith, or would involve contempt of religion, an offense to God, or scandal to their neighbor.”
The Dimond brothers thus deny the Catholic Faith, give offense to God and give scandal to his neighbor by entering the houses of heretics and schismatics, thereby publicly professing to all present that they share the same faith with those heretics. The scandal this provokes in the eyes of true Catholics is easy to understand. For every person that sees them entering a church where the priest is a heretic or schismatic, will assume they agree with his heresy or schism. If they would stand up and denounce those who adhere to the phony Vatican II ‘church’, as a Catholic is bound to do, then they would immediately be thrown out of there. The Dimonds make a mockery of the unity of faith!
Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 22): “As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered – so the Lord commands – as a heathen and a publican. It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.”
For knowingly attending Mass at non-Catholic churches and praying in communion with notorious heretics, the Dimonds commit other mortal sins such as sacrilegious receptions of Holy Communion.
We have exposed many of the beliefs of the Dimonds and contrasted them with those of Catholicism, and we see that the Dimonds have set about defining their own religion and presumed to call it Catholic. Here is more evidence that shows they are nothing other than roaming wolves and getting caught in their own snares:
Observe how the brothers play both sides of the fence. How many times have we all heard from Novus Ordo people and other heretics that we don't have the right to judge who is a heretic? That a heretic has to be formally declared by the Church? Of course we all know that's not true and it seems the Dimond brothers would agree with us. Well, sometimes that is. You see, they sadly like to have their cake and eat it too. They play both sides of the fence. Below are some quotes from the Dimond brothers articles and email-exchanges on various issues, which are (or were at the time) publicly available on their website:
MHFM: “Heretics lose all membership and authority in the Catholic Church automatically.”
MHFM: “Catholics have an obligation to judge and denounce heretics when they manifest their rejection of Catholic truth by their words and actions.”
MHFM: “That’s absolutely right. The notion that a Catholic does not have the authority to recognize and denounce a heretic is modernist nonsense. Only a person who is completely faithless would assert that a Catholic does not have the authority and ability to recognize and denounce a heretic.”
MHFM: “No, a Catholic doesn’t need any special authority to recognize that manifest heretics do not possess (but have lost) authority in the Church. Manifest heretics lose authority in the Church automatically and without declaration, whether they claim to be popes, bishops, cardinals or priests. That’s the teaching of the Catholic Church.”
Notice the word "manifest" heretics. According to the brothers own definition by their quote above, a heretic would become manifest when he "manifests" his rejection of Catholic truth by his words or actions.
I wonder if this includes the Byzantine priest they go to whom when presented with all the information and heresies of the false Second Vatican council and Benedict XVI, obstinately refused to adhere to the truth and continues to accept the Council and claim communion with the antipope. After all, wouldn't these actions of his (accepting the Second Vatican Council and subjecting himself to antipope Benedict XVI) be a rejection of Catholic truth? Isn't he then a manifest heretic?
Sadly, here is where the brothers contradict themselves. You see out of one side of their mouth they say that Catholics have the obligation to judge and denounce heretics, and that heretics lose authority in the church WITHOUT DECLARATION. Then out of the other side of their double tongued mouth they say that it is lawful to receive the sacraments from a heretic so long as he is an "undeclared" heretic, meaning that he has not officially been declared a heretic by the Church. Now can anyone please tell me how they are going to be officially declared a heretic when the see of St. Peter is vacant?
Peter Dimond, “Sacraments from Undeclared Heretics” Debate – The Important Quotes: “CATHOLICS MAY RECEIVE SACRAMENTS FROM SOME PRIESTS WHO ARE UNDECLARED HERETICS in this time...”
An automatic excommunication is not made just for show without anything actually happening to the excommunicated individual, as Pope Pius VI in his encyclical Auctorem fidei makes perfectly clear:
“Likewise, the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called ‘ipso facto’ [by that very fact; automatically] have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect” – false, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church, erroneous.” (Pope Pius VI, Auctorem fidei, #47, Aug. 28, 1794)
Likewise, here’s an interesting quote from Anne Catherine Emmerich demonstrating this fact further:
“I see many excommunicated ecclesiastics who do not seem to be concerned about it, nor even aware of it. Yet, they are [ipso facto, by that very fact] excommunicated whenever they cooperate to enterprises, enter into associations [with heretics or other evil people such as Freemasons], and embrace opinions on which an anathema has been cast. It can be seen thereby that God ratifies the decrees, orders, and interdictions issued by the Head of the Church, and that He keeps them in force even though men show no concern for them, reject them, or laugh them to scorn.” (Anne Catherine Emmerich, Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy, p. 69)
Precisely because God’s Laws and Judgments are always present and in force, so too, then, are our obligations which accompany those laws, valid, and in force, even when the see of St. Peter is vacant.
Indeed, Peter and his followers could hardly show any more lack of concern for God’s laws when they claim that some heretics must be “declared” before being avoided (as if God did not ratify His own laws or put them into effect automatically independent of any declaration). It is truly to mock the whole Papacy and Jesus Christ to claim the declaration of the Church authorities as a requirement for avoiding certain heretics when the Church hierarchy is not even available or accessible for anyone today! And this is particularly more true today when – even according to the Dimonds – THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN MAKE THIS JUDGMENT!
Now, the brothers most used source to back up receiving sacrilegious and blasphemous sacraments from the hands of a heretical priest is St. Thomas, the Fourth Lateran Council, and the 1917 Code of Canon Law, whose words or meanings they actually twist out of context to support their sacrilegious position (as we have clearly proved). So while the brothers claim that St. Thomas allows for their sacrilegious communions, they are quite wrong and are simply lying through their teeth. They have also been corrected and notified by us (and others) but they have still not changed their position.
Besides, can someone please explain to me how a priest who has seen all the evidence against Benedict XVI and the Vatican II church, yet still remains in communion with them, is a Catholic? Call the monastery or write them an e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org. Ask the brothers if they have ever presented the priest where they attend Church with their material. They will tell you yes (if they even have the guts to talk about it anymore.) They have presented it to him, more than once. "Michael" has even personally talked to him several times. So what excuse is there for such a person? Well, none, as the Dimonds admit!
In fact, let's see what the brothers would say about such a person in their own words.
MHFM: “Any person who could look at these files [the Dimond brothers files] and still maintain that John Paul II and Benedict XVI are not heretics is simply a liar and of bad will.”
Let’s look at some other major contradictions from the Dimond brothers side.
MHFM: “YOU CANNOT GO TO NON-CATHOLIC CHURCHES.”
MHFM: “It deals with the question of whether people may go into non-Catholic churches for funerals or weddings as long as they don’t “participate.” Many “traditionalists” wrongly believe it’s okay to do that. The truth is that a Catholic may not go to a non-Catholic church at all, even if it is just “passively” for a wedding, etc.”
Behold the major contradiction from the Dimond brothers! I will repeat what he just said: “The truth is that a Catholic may not go to a non-Catholic church at all, even if it is just passively.” But isn't this exactly what the Dimond brothers do? Don’t they "passively" sneak into a heretical church for the mass and the sacraments, while claiming they are not actively participating in a heretical priest's mortally sinful and illicit consecration of the mass or that they are praying in communion with these heretics or receiving the sacraments illicitly and invalidly from the hands of the heretics where they attend mass? Yes, the Dimonds must hold to the opinion that they are passively active (a real contradiction) at the heretical church they go to, since otherwise they would have to admit that they are actively participating in non-Catholic worship ceremonies; and actively participating at non-Catholic masses; and actively participating in non-Catholic prayer meetings with the same heretics they attend mass with. Ask them if you are unsure about what they really believe. Be very careful though, Peter doesn't like anyone knowing his business, he might get angry. Especially if you point out that there is nothing "passive" about kneeling before a heretic and receiving the fruits of his sin. That's right, heretics sin mortally when they confect the Eucharist, as we will see here. Also, another reader of our website asked him a few questions about these things, and their answer seemed pretty similar to the sad e-mails we received from them – just insults and railings without even a single word or answer on anything of which he wrote them about.
But this brings up an important question. What kind of church do the Dimond brothers attend? Is it a Catholic Church - or a non Catholic Church? Why don't they financially support the Church they go (as they claim) to if it is a Catholic Church? Because it is a non-Catholic Church, which they admit one must never go to or ever give financial support to! The brothers blatantly contradict themselves, because we can see by their quotes above (in which instance they are correct) that no one may attend a non-Catholic Church for any reason.
Troubling isn't it? Are you following the Dimonds? Do you follow their instructions on “where to receive the sacraments”? Have you talked to them about where they receive theirs? Do you not wonder why such a public outfit as MHFM would not be more forthcoming with people who ask them about this?
Further, what’s so contradictory about the brothers position, is that they often point out to other people that it is more important to keep the faith whole and inviolate instead of attending mass and receiving the sacraments.
MHFM: “You must never go to the invalid New Mass again. You must also keep in mind that spiritual works or time spent without a pure intention or a submission to His faith lose all merit. God wants obedience, rather than sacrifice. In other words, if you accept heretics or reject His dogmas, your spiritual works will be worthless in His sight.”
But one could wonder, then, why don’t they follow their own advice? However, instead of following their own advice, they sadly make up more and more excuses on why a person should be allowed to receive the sacraments from heretics. What’s amazing and sad is that the brothers even teach that one can approach the Greek “Orthodox” schismatics for the sacrament of Confession in danger of death:
MHFM: “A heretic can also absolve from sins in certain situations, which is why a Pope and Saints have taught that a Catholic could even go to a Greek Orthodox in danger of death. Someone has clearly misled you in this area.” (Questions, Answers and Comments, Some Q &A’s from Summer 2004)
Yes, Dimonds, someone has clearly misled you in this area! But what about putting the faith before the mass or the sacraments, Dimonds? They even say that a Pope and Saints have taught this. Well, we sent them this question:
"Hello. You said one can go to the Greek orthodox for confession? What Pope said so, and what Saints have said so?
Another question. Why can one go (according to you) to a heretical or schismatical (but validly ordained) Vatican II or "traditional" priest for the sacraments, when one may not go to the Eastern “Orthodox”, (except maybe for confession, according to you?)"
The Dimonds, as usual, did not care to show us what source they did get this novel teaching from, nor did they care to answer us at all! If a Pope and Saints really did teach this (as they say), then one would think they wouldn’t have had any problem to cite their sources. Yet, strangely, without giving any source or answering our e-mail, they continue to claim this as an article of faith (that one may go to an heretical, schismatical Greek “Orthodox” for confession) on their site as if it were true. Amazingly, though, in another of their e-mail exchanges, they once again give an answer to their own heretical and schismatical position, thus blatantly contradicting themselves:
MHFM’s answer: "No, the Eastern “Orthodox” are not Catholic. You cannot go to non-Catholic churches. The “Orthodox” are unfortunately heretics and schismatics..."
Well, there's more. You see the brothers have taken it upon themselves to define what kind of heretic you may receive the sacraments of the Eucharist and Penance from! Now if you are familiar with the brothers you will often hear Peter Dimond say something along these lines: “To our knowledge, we are the first people to ever use this quote,” or “to my knowledge, no one else has ever made this point.” Peter Dimond can finally, accurately state that he and Michael are the first that we know of in the history of the Catholic Church, to use the word "imposing" as a requirement for a heretic to be avoided in the reception of the sacraments.
Here they are:
MHFM: "They are so vigorous about their heresy against the salvation dogma that they impose their heretical beliefs upon the people who approach them for the sacraments. Therefore, no one should go to them for any sacraments at all."
MHFM: "We carefully point out that you may only go to an undeclared heretic who professes to be Catholic and is not notorious about his heresy (or less obvious, as some like to say.)"
MHFM: "The “traditionalist” priest whom a Catholic can approach for Communion today must be validly ordained and cannot be notorious or imposing about his heretical position and you cannot support him."
MHFM: “Thanks for the interest. No, you should not go to the SSPV for anything, not even for confession. They are notorious and imposing heretics.”
MHFM: “If one believed in and/or taught heresy against that dogma (bod/bob), then he could say: I ask forgiveness for denying the Catholic Church’s teaching on the necessity of the Catholic faith and Baptism for salvation. There are a good number of priests who would listen to that and simply give you absolution without necessarily getting into their heretical beliefs on the issue.”
Don’t you see how evil this is?
I will quote his blatant contradiction again: “There are a good number of priests who would listen to that and simply give you absolution without necessarily getting into their heretical beliefs on the issue.” Oh, okay. So you know the priest is an evil, bad willed heretic, and God, and all of Heaven knows that he is a bad willed heretic, but so long as he doesn't "impose" his heresies, or is "less obvious" about them, then you're safe? If you can't see how evil this is, then you are blind. You commune with enemies of Jesus Christ so that you can continue to receive the sacraments of the Eucharist and Penance to your own damnation. This is not the Catholic approach! This is the approach of cowards and heretics who put the sacraments before the faith!
If anyone can provide the Catholic Church teaching that uses the word "imposing" in the way the brothers use it, please let us know.
For proof that the Dimonds are distorting Catholic teachings to support their depravity, please read the following section:
MHFM: "we must utterly reject others in any matter that touches upon their rejection of God or the true faith. One must offer a complete and total rejection of the ungodly in any matter implicating their impiety, or else God will reject such a one."
MHFM: "Stop going just by externals, and start to care about and believe in the Catholic faith and the dogmas. It really is disgusting that people like you do not care at all about the issues of the faith, but only about the Mass and whether a group has churches, etc.!”
AGREED! THANK YOU DIMOND BROTHERS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! NOW WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE?
MHFM: “Thus, the presumption when he celebrates the Latin Mass is that it is valid, although he is obviously sinning mortally in doing it as a heretic; and no one should go to his Latin Mass because he is a notorious heretic.”
Yes! That's right! When a heretical priest celebrates the Mass, even if it is valid, he sins MORTALLY. Thank you brothers! So wouldn't common sense and Catholic teaching tell us we participate and become guilty of this mortal sin, both by taking part in it (which you do when you receive those sacraments) and by our silence?
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Suppl. Part, Q. 23, Art. 3, Reply to Objection 2: “The commandment of the Church regards spiritual matters directly, and legitimate actions as a consequence: hence by holding communion in Divine worship [such as with a heretic,] one acts against the commandment, and commits a mortal sin;”
So you sin mortally every time you receive that sacrilegious communion and invalid absolution.
MHFM: "But one should not watch the invalid New Mass or other programs that would be a danger to one’s faith."
Truly lamentable, you can't watch the invalid Mass but you can take part in the sacrilegious one, Dimonds?
MHFM: "Thanks for the e-mail and the interest. We believe that you should not pray the Rosary with them, since they still accept Vatican II.”
Again, so you can't pray the rosary with those who accept Vatican II but you partake of the Body and Blood of our Lord with them? Besides, how does their statement above make any sense to their own contradictory mass attendance at a Vatican II church? How does their prayers at that heretical Vatican II church where they attend mass at make any sense to their statements? It's truly a contradiction from beginning to end!
MHFM: “Thanks for the comment. We would just point out that one shouldn’t call Benedict XVI the pope.”
Unless, it’s your Byzantine priest you attend mass at and then it's okay, right? Yes, that’s right, they attend mass at the house of a priest who accept Benedict XVI as the pope!
MHFM: "You cannot follow the Lamb wherever he goes if you maintain a communion of “faith” with a manifest heretic who rejects Vatican I, the Council of Trent and accepts false religions."
Unless, it’s your Byzantine priest and then it's okay? So according to the contradictory logic of the Dimonds, a person can maintain his faith and salvation even if he is in public communion with other manifest heretics and even if he enters their churches to hear mass from them and to receive the sacrament from them. But didn’t he just say above that this wasn’t possible to do? Let’s see in his own words again: "You cannot follow the Lamb wherever he goes if you maintain a communion of “faith” with a manifest heretic who rejects Vatican I, the Council of Trent and accepts false religions."
Okay, so this, along with the articles linked to above that show how the brothers distort St. Thomas and the Fourth Lateran Council, should be enough for anyone to see that they are bad willed, double talking heretics that are leading souls to hell!
In closing, we are going to take the brothers’ own words to one of their readers and offer it as advice to them.
MHFM: “There’s really not much that we can say to you, other than that you need to convert. That will only come about when you humble yourself and stop imposing your own views of reality on God’s truth and rather conform your views to God’s truth. Some people would consider your position to be compassionate and tolerant and charitable. The truth is that it’s inestimably arrogant and prideful, to think that you know how things should be more than the God you claim to believe. Recognize that God is the One who reveals and that you must be the one who accepts. The problem comes when people attempt to please people and not God alone. It comes when they start to conform or hide the truth because they are afraid of losing people. There are too many out there who purport to teach the traditional Catholic faith but don’t really believe or are not serving God with a pure intention. Instead, they wind up serving Satan. They need to stop serving Satan.”
We will continue to pray for the conversion of the Dimond brothers.
2 John 1:9-10: “Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son. If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.”
This bible verse makes it crystal clear that those who have dealings with heretics or schismatics, “communicateth with his wicked works.” This means that those who have dealings with heretics have a part of and share in their sins.
Catholics are explicitly forbidden to knowingly pray in communion with notorious or known heretics or receive the sacraments from them as Pope Leo X makes perfectly clear:
Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 8, ex cathedra: "And since truth cannot contradict truth, we define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted. We decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this kind, thus sowing heresies which are wholly condemned, should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic faith."
So, the Pope just said infallibly that all heretics should be avoided in every way (that has to do with religious communion and other unnecessary dealings with them). Note that you can only know that someone is a heretic if you yourself have obtained this knowledge of the person in question. Thus, if you know your priest to be a heretic, you are obliged to avoid him in every way, and may not approach him for the sacraments.
Pope Paul V (1552-1621), repeating his predecessors' interdict [of Pope Paul IV (1476-1559)]: “Great has been the grief of our mind for the tribulations and calamities ye have constantly undergone for your adherence to the Catholic faith; and as we understand that these trials are become more severe at present, our affliction is increased exceedingly. For we are informed that ye are compelled, under the most grievous penalties, to go to the churches of heretics, to frequent their meetings, and be present at their sermons. Indeed we are fully persuaded that ye who, with so much fortitude and constancy, have hither-to undergone almost infinite miseries, that ye might walk without stain in the law of the Lord, will never consent to be defiled by communicating with those who have forsaken the Divine law. Nevertheless, urged by the zeal of our pastoral duty, and from paternal solicitude with which we daily labour for the salvation of your souls, we are forced to admonish and conjure you, that ON NO ACCOUNT YOU GO TO THE CHURCHES OF HERETICS, OR HEAR THEIR SERMONS, OR JOIN IN THEIR RITES, LEST YE INCUR THE WRATH OF GOD; FOR IT IS NOT LAWFUL FOR YOU TO DO SUCH THINGS, WITHOUT DISHONOURING GOD, AND HURTING YOUR OWN SOULS.” (Quoted in Bp. George Hay's, "The Sincere Christian". [Pope Paul V repeated his predecessors' interdict of Pope Paul IV, on September 22nd, 1606 A.D. in his brief Romani Pontificis, contra juramentum Fidelitatis – The Roman Pontiff, against the Alligence.])
DID YOU HEAR THAT? “ON NO ACCOUNT YOU GO TO THE CHURCHES OF HERETICS, OR HEAR THEIR SERMONS, OR JOIN IN THEIR RITES, LEST YE INCUR THE WRATH OF GOD; FOR IT IS NOT LAWFUL FOR YOU TO DO SUCH THINGS, WITHOUT DISHONOURING GOD, AND HURTING YOUR OWN SOULS.”
Pope Pius IX, "Graves Ac Diuturnae," 1875, (# 4): "You should remind them to beware of these treacherous enemies of the flock of Christ and their poisoned foods. THEY SHOULD TOTALLY SHUN THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS, THEIR BUILDINGS, AND THEIR CHAIRS OF PESTILENCE WHICH THEY HAVE WITH IMPUNITY ESTABLISHED TO TRANSMIT THE SACRED TEACHINGS. THEY SHOULD SHUN THEIR WRITINGS AND ALL CONTACT WITH THEM. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS OR MEETINGS WITH USURPING PRIESTS AND APOSTATES FROM THE FAITH who dare to exercise the duties of an ecclesiastical minister without possessing a legitimate mission or any jurisdiction. They should avoid them as strangers and thieves who come only to steal, slay, and destroy. For the Church's children should consider the proper action to preserve the most precious treasure of faith, without which it is impossible to please God, as well as action calculated to achieve the goal of faith, that is the salvation of their souls, by following the straight road of justice."
Can it be any clearer than that? We “SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS OR MEETINGS WITH USURPING PRIESTS AND APOSTATES FROM THE FAITH who dare to exercise the duties of an ecclesiastical minister without possessing a legitimate mission or any jurisdiction…” we “should avoid them as strangers and thieves who come only to steal, slay, and destroy.” and “THEY SHOULD TOTALLY SHUN THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS, THEIR BUILDINGS, AND THEIR CHAIRS OF PESTILENCE WHICH THEY HAVE WITH IMPUNITY ESTABLISHED TO TRANSMIT THE SACRED TEACHINGS. THEY SHOULD SHUN THEIR WRITINGS AND ALL CONTACT WITH THEM”
This evidence should be enough for anyone who is not suffering from the mortal illness of bad will and pride. If you have fallen for this heresy, we pray with tears that God may lead you out of this outrageous and scandalous position which has forced you to profess external communion with the most abominable, apostate, heretical or schismatical priests and laymen that may ever have lived!